The forums in the Christian Congregations category are now open only to Christian members. If you truly, truly believe, then your actions will automatically follow as a result. Not by man’s free will having a choice. It will be four years since Steve died and entered Heaven and yet is seems like a lifetime has gone by. lol). We have been given life. I do too. Just one question, Brian. Please see our website disclosure policy for additional information.*. Is Faith Alone Enough? For you, the argument is the person was never saved to begin with. His drawing power,converting the soul? I haven’t been to confession so technically speaking, I’ve effectively condemned myself to hell – if I don’t make confession before I die. (BUT that doesn’t defend your point though, bc no one your number of works matters at all. This thread was split automatically after 1000 replies and this thread has been automatically created. 3.The real faith is caused by God and kept by Him. Like the lack of assurance in Salvation. Paul is showing the contrast. We need to press on, yes,We need to work OUT and not work For our salvation..Do you believe in election? The 10 commandments are given to show us we are law breakers, and that it is impossible to keep them. It’s not the number that matters, but the direction. These Catholic-Protestant conversations have fascinated me for years though, so this blog interests me. Once I really dug into the Bible though, there are just SO many verses that talk about the things we need to DO. in.It’s all about a living faith verses a dead faith.Not faith needing to come up with works along side it for salvation..Your saved apart from the works of the law. But it is not enough to be baptized and then go about our life thinking we can do whatever we want. James 2:24, not by faith alone. . 13 Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. I honestly don’t know. But, I think something you need to look into Brittany is the difference between justification and sanctification. How can faith alone be enough to earn salvation? Hope it helps on the journey for truth. I don’t believe both sides would agree that salvation is faith alone by God’s grace alone. But it doesn’t guarantee automatical salvation to anyone who believes. Such great discourse of faith versus works. The Catholic church expressly denounces the idea that people can be saved by works, apart from faith. These and many more passages show Jesus came to save His people from there sins,not just make a opening now you maintain it or you will lose it.This would show that your salvation depends on You and how you lived. — which is why God is the judge–not me! A child stealing a cookie cannot possibly be the same amount of wrong as a serial killer intentionally murdering several people. Since we have been elected,drawn,granted and given a promise for glorification I can’t see what else we need. Like a marriage. 3. Romans 5:8: “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” That was an awesome comparison, thank you for sharing! great article again. Absolutely. Or does He elect? I’m sorry, but like Martin Luther, I’ve realized over time that I can’t live out a life that will assure me of salvation. 11:18),gives repentance( Acts (5:31)appoints people for salvation(Acts 13:48)Grants people to believe(Phil.1:29). I don’t know where the line is or how the “formula” works — I just know that God has done His part, but we have a part to play too. 5. I *think* it is the natural outpouring of a faith that is real… so AFTER we are already saved and BECAUSE we are saved, not in order to become saved. But what kind of works is … He is basically saying that you have to live a perfect life. so this is helpful in clarifying things. We dont have salvation and cross from darkness into light,from the old man to a new man,and a lost ,redeemed,saved,alive in Christ person to losing it because we did not keep up our faith and good works man.He elects us and draws us,justifies and glorifies us( Rom. Paul isn’t talking about earning our ticket to heaven after we are already “saved;” he’s talking about our ability to make the decision to follow Christ in the very first place. BUT then we have a responsibility to behave like it after the fact. Thanks for coming along for the ride! This is something you never had before. 0:14. I’ve realized that it is Jesus Christ who covers me in his saving grace, and that when the Father sees me, he sees his beloved son Jesus. We are to call on Him ,believe on Him and trust Him.He grants us new life so we want to live for Him. I *think* justification means that we are made right in terms of payment, and sanctification means we are atually made right internally or washed clean so to speak? The Bible says that you can tell a person’s heart by their fruits. As a result, faith alone can't be enough. I actually had heard most everything on the list, but that type of article is DEFINITELY needed. Home › Music › How To Enjoy More Grace & Peace as Faith Alone is Not Enough. We know that without God, we really couldn’t do anything at all. The first assumption is that faith doesn’t involve reasoning, despite the words of Peter and the actions of Paul and Jesus. It is mandatory to procure user consent prior to running these cookies on your website. Christ knew that would happen, but he still has forgiven them. I never see in scripture that we are justified by baptism.I never see we are just imparted with some faith and now we must do something to maintain our salvation. His sacrifice is what makes salvation possible, but we have to be worthy of it. God bless! While James 2:24 is the only verse that contains the precise phrase “faith alone,” there are many other verses that do, in fact, teach salvation by faith alone. If you have faith in God, nothing else matters because he is all you need. This passage is teaching reward in the coming life. I had several of those in RCIA. And I agree, we don’t work FOR our salvation, we work BECAUSE of our salvation. Man’s spiritual state is depraved it does need to be drawn and granted new life.John 3 tells us we must be born again (born from above) John 1;13 tells us our blood line or our own will causes this transformation it is of God.Romans 9 we see God having mercy on whom he wills (15) .Making some for a honor and some for dishonor ( 21) Some for destruction and others for His glory prepared from beforehand. Here are some things to be aware of, just in case you didn’t know. God gives us a new heart( Ezek.36:26)God enables us to come to Him( John 6:65)John 1:13 tells us we are not born( spiritually) by decent,decision or will.not my desire but God’s mercy( Rom.9:16) All this to say I believe there is a Gospel that saves and another that requires man that won’t.Any time you see action ask yourself is this FOR salvation. Good article. Buying your wife flowers is one way to do that in a marriage; doing good deeds is one way to do that with God. 0. They disagreed, lol. When we take grace, faith, and works the whole explanations would be: We are saved by GRACE (alone) through Faith for Good Works. This post is post 4 in a series entitled Letting God Lead: My Journey Through Protestant and Catholic Beliefs. I mean, first of all, there’s the fact that we have to choose to accept it. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. , faith by itself, I think we are saved by faith plus )! 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